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Notes from WikiWednesday:
== RSS ==
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RSS Extension:RSS]


prepping work for talking to the city
==Civic wiki and stuff==
* http://open.wikiblogplanet.com/
* http://arborwiki.org
* http://daviswiki.org
* http://www.aboutus.org/list/civicwiki
* http://www.scruzwiki.org/
* http://villagecenter.wikispot.org/Front_Page


* Think about where it will live (i.e. domain)
==Possible extensions==
* What wiki engine? MediaWiki, MoinMoin?
: http://www.mediawikiwidgets.org/
* Relation to City Hall?
: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms
** Publicity? Who can give it? Where else can we get it? (Knight Foundation, Meyer?)
: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Simple_Forms
* Design work in skin/lo-go
: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Form
* Community Manager?
: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Widgets
: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:XFeed_-_RSS_Feed_Aggregator


== What are good short-term needs a wiki could fill? ==
: ArborWiki uses:  http://arborwiki.org/city/Special:Version
I'm not sure this the right place to put this, but as would said at WW, let's get a couple things upon which to hang the whole structure. Just a couple ideas, let's expand. --[[User:Esprqii|Esprqii]] 21:23, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
: CantonWiki uses: http://cantonwiki.org/Special:Version
* '''Portland public schools'''. Let's seed with the stuff already done over on Wikipedia (the PPS article and the high schools), then expand to create articles on the elementary and middle schools as well. Put in stuff that potential students/parents would be interested in: test scores, ratings, district map, enrollment etc. Stuff that would be good in a civic wiki but wouldn't survive on WP.
: RichmondWiki uses:  http://www.richmondwiki.org/wiki/Special:Version
* '''Portland parks and rec'''. Again, seed with what is on WP, then expand with detail.
: Blomingpedia uses: http://www.bloomingpedia.org/wiki/Special:Version
* '''Coffee shops and culture'''. List/descriptions of coffeehice. Could be a good jumping-off point to get external businesses interested.
: USSFwiki uses: http://wiki.ussf2010.org/wiki/Special:Version
* '''Microbrew culture'''. The yang to the coffee culture yin.
: Dreamfish uses:  http://network.dreamfish.com/wiki/Special:Version
* '''Bike routes'''. It worked for Davis, it could certainly work here.
: WikiIndex uses: http://wikiindex.org/Special:Version
* '''celebrities'''. People like the Reverend Phil and the chef from Nutshell.
: FortWiki uses: http://fortwiki.com/Special:Version
::: I have a concern about this one: putting an emphasis on individuals opens the door to all kinds of ugliness (i.e., at the extreme, libel). Other sites have dealt with this in different ways: it appears that DavisWiki has its "People" link direct to user accounts. Wikipedia has [[wikipedia:WP:BLP|an entire policy devoted to living persons]], which is more restrictive than other policies. Encyclopedia Dramatica has throws all caution to the wind and lets you make whatever perverse and slanderous statement you like about whomever you like. I think this might be a reasonable approach: for the most part, permit only user-space pages about people, which are initially created by the person themselves, and giving the person absolute veto power over anything on there (including deleting it and all of its history). For very notable people (e.g. mayors, city commissioners...) allow a one-sentence factual description, with a link (or multiple links) to other sites, like Wikipedia, Oregon Encyclopedia, Portlandonline, etc. How's that sound as a general approach? -[[User:Pete Forsyth|Pete Forsyth]]
: KansasCity wikia uses: http://kansascity.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Version
:::: I was thinking about this too. BLPs on Wikipedia are a huge source of disputes and edit wars, not to mention the career-wrecking libel they attract, even despite the thousands of dedicated editors committed to neutrality and removal of BLP violations. I think a civic wiki would have even less ability to handle BLPs, since the percentage of dedicated editors, even if the same as Wikipedia, would be overwhelmed by the fewer reliable sources and laxer notability criteria a civic wiki would require. I might even go a bit farther than Pete and say "no articles on people period", even the very notable ones (user pages would be fine, if implemented as Pete described). If they are truly notable, Wikipedia is the place for them; and if they aren't, stuff like "John Doe is a local business owner and registered sex offender" or even "Jane Doe was born in 1937" (when she's much younger) would certainly crop up. While a one-sentence factual description like Pete describes would be fine, I can see the boundaries of that being continuously pushed from the start... it's probably not worth the headache. -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] 01:04, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
: Hiroshima wiki uses: http://ja.hiroshimawiki.com/wiki/%E7%89%B9%E5%88%A5:%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3%E6%83%85%E5%A0%B1
::::: Are you guys specifically referring to living persons, or does this apply to deceased as well? A large part of the reason that I was attracted to this site was because I do a lot of historical research that would be of local interest, but is too specific for the interests on Wikipedia. For example, could I write an article on former [[Oregonian]] editor Arden X. Pangborn? This could lead to a list of "former Oregonian editors", but then how would it be policed in such a way that no living (albeit retired?) editors would be included on the list? It seems like this might be an extremely difficult policy to police effectively, but I've got a vested interest because I want to write about people specifically. -[[User:khris.soden|Khris Soden]] - 11:26am, 8 November 2009
: Wikitravel uses: http://wikitravel.org/en/Special:Version
:::::: This is a good point. Maybe we should keep it loose for now, allowing articles on both dead and living people, and see if it becomes an actual problem. If it does, we can revisit it and consider disallowing living person bios. -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] 19:38, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
: Aachen wikia uses: http://aachen.wikia.com/wiki/Spezial:Version
:It seems blp's should not be here; and if they are, then it is only with flagged revisions, and perhaps also with lp permission. [[User:Michael|Michael]]
: Euguen neighbor wiki - http://wiki.eugeneneighbors.org/wiki/Special:Version
:: ''My feeling on it is that we are not setting out to be an encyclopedia - we are learning what it means to be a civic wiki - so people should be able to create a page about themselves if they want. I think even creating pages for folks is ok if we are doing it to invite them to this place - not catalog their everything. ~~ [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]''


* '''traditions'''. Santacon and other local traditions that wouldn't necessarily be covered by Wikipedia because they're portland-specific.
== PDXWW January meeting ==
* '''businesses''' Most local businesses wouldn't merit a page on Wikipedia.
* '''Public water fountains''' document location and local history around each one of them


=== Very short-term/low impact/high utility projects ===
Some of us met at this month's WikiWednesday and conspired nefariously in secret (public) behind closed doors (a space open to anyone who's interested) about PortlandWiki. A casual-style log of the gathering can be found [http://pdx.wiki.org/Wiki_Wednesday_of_January_6%2C_2010 here]. -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] ([[User talk:Kotra|talk]]) 07:18, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Most of the suggestions above are great, but highly ambitious. Are there more bite-sized projects we could take on in the early stages, to quickly produce something with obvious value, without a lot of outlay of resources (including time and energy)? -[[User:Pete Forsyth|Pete Forsyth]]


* Directory of Portland wiki communities (should be built to complement wikiindex.org)
== New proposal: facets ==
* build some wiki documentation
* list of major portland institutions (city hall, art museum, library, Oregonian...could start of with just 20 or so, relatively light work leading to useful result)


:I was not saying let's do them ''all'' right off, just throwing out a couple of ideas. Personally, I think the schools one would be a great place to start because a lot of that info already exists and could be ported over from WP.
There's a new proposal for a feature/process wherein people could create pages for their own points of view on any topic. If you have 10 or 15 minutes to spare, check out the proposal at [[PortlandWiki:Facets]], and give your comments on [[PortlandWiki talk:Facets|the talk page]]. Thanks! -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] ([[User talk:Kotra|talk]]) 03:31, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


:And speaking of "just porting over;" ''can'' we do that, and how should we do it? In other words, for starters, can I just cut and paste the [[wikipedia:Portland Public Schools (Oregon)|Portland Public Schools (Oregon)]] article into a new page called [[Portland Public Schools]] here? I mean, I know I ''can'', but is that the way we are thinking of creating articles here, and are there any ethical/legal issues with cutting and pasting from Wikipedia? This line appears at the bottom of the page when you make a WP edit: "You agree to be credited, at minimum, through a hyperlink or URL when your contributions are reused in any form." Do we need to do that? Is an edit line summary (eg, "Initial version of this article excerpted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Public_Schools_(Oregon)") in the first edit sufficient? There are certainly millions of mirror sites that have no problem copying and pasting from WP without attribution (so far as I know) but I'm just trying to set our highly ethical ground rules. --[[User:Esprqii|Esprqii]]
== Web hosting ==


:: Fair enough, I suppose the schools and some of the others really wouldn't take all that much work. They're all good ideas, did not mean to shoot 'em down! As for copying vs. linking: I believe the GFDL and CC-BY-SA can both be satisfied with a link, but I'm not 100% sure. I know that GFDL permits listing only the top 5 contributors, if the list is really long. However, I think linking is probably best where content already exists...that way we don't need to maintain content in two places. (Though, adding more detailed info in addition couldn't hurt.) -[[User:Pete Forsyth|Pete Forsyth]] 22:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
We are exploring approaching green web hosting providers for PortlandWiki. The planning page for this is [[PortlandWiki:Hosting]]. -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] ([[User talk:Kotra|talk]]) 04:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


=== List from September WW ===
== Namespace aliases ==
This list was compiled, mostly by Kotra, on the white board (a.k.a. Wiki on Wheels) at the [[Wiki Wednesday of September 2, 2009|September WikiWednesday]]:


* universities/colleges
Just wanted to mention that I've added a couple "namespace aliases", which are shortcuts: [[PW:Logo]] will take you to [[PortlandWiki:Logo]] and [[PT:Logo]] will take you to [[PortlandWiki talk:Logo]]. This will work for all pages that begin with "PortlandWiki" or "PortlandWiki talk", so this page can be linked to from [[PT:Community Portal]]. Let me know if you think any other aliases would be useful! -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] ([[User talk:Kotra|talk]]) 01:52, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
* community centers
* churches
* neighborhoods
* businesses
* historic buildings
* pay phones
* bridges
* organizations
* bus stops
* bus lines
* police stateions
* parks
* public restrooms
* interesting cultural locations (murals, museums etc)
* streets
* libraries
* political parties


== What are our long-term goals? areas of concern? ==
== Usability Initiative tools ==
See also the "mission statement" section below.


* '''Ownership of domain name(s), site:''' The site could be owned by individual(s), by a non-profit, or by a government entity. Starting off with individual ownership makes sense, be we should probably seek to transfer ownership to a more stable entity at some point. A foundation? a non-profit? Multnomah County Library? City Council? -[[User:Pete Forsyth|Pete Forsyth]]
Hi folks, there are a few new tools in Mediawiki that they've finished enough to use on the Wikimedia Commons and, just in the last day, Wikipedia. These include an editing interface that is (in my opinion) superior in ease-of-use as well as some javascripty bits (collapsible boxes, unified search/go field, etc) for the new "Vector" skin. I'd like to use the Vector skin as a foundational basis for the PW skin I'm working on, so I was wondering if it would be ok with folks if I installed the "Usability Initiative" extension on this wiki? The only change we will see with the current skin is the new editing interface (you can preview it on Wikipedia).


::Ownership by a foundation or government seems like best in the long run... a personal wiki could evolve into this perhaps? If the content is open - cc-by or cc-by-sa then the government or a foundation could always fork it. haha :) [[User:Rain|Rain]]
More information here: [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:UsabilityInitiative]]


== What kind of resources would be helpful? ==
-[[User:Kotra|kotra]] ([[User talk:Kotra|talk]]) 00:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)


== What could go wrong? ==
:Kotra, I just took a peek at the new MediaWiki skin and the editing interface. I think transitioning PortlandWiki to the new skin is worthwhile just for the editing interface alone. Hopefully folks who may feel a bit intimidated by wiki markup would find the new editing tools helpful. [[User:WikiMaster|WikiMaster]] ([[User talk:WikiMaster|talk]]) 03:29, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
What has gone wrong on other wikis? Anything? [[User:Rain|Rain]]
: Well, kotra observed that richmondwiki.org seems to be rather promotional in tone, when it comes to businesses etc...though I'm not sure that's "wrong" :) I think it would be good to interview some people who are active on some other civic wikis. I'm looking for the right person to talk to in Davis... -[[User:Pete Forsyth|Pete Forsyth]] 22:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


== Do we want a mission statement, slogan, or similar? ==
::Ok, I'll make the change sometime when I can make a full backup of the wiki. Thanks! -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] ([[User talk:Kotra|talk]]) 02:46, 25 May 2010 (UTC)


It would help us focus our efforts. I think we should incorporate the line on the front page of the WikiWednesday main page: "Portland, the birthplace of wikis." Our wikipride should compel us to have the best civic wiki anywhere. --[[User:Esprqii|Esprqii]] 21:06, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
== Rename Community Portal? ==
: That's awesome, do you think somebody could photoshop Ward's face on [[wikipedia:File:Birth of the Cool.jpg|this photo of Miles Davis]]? -[[User:Pete Forsyth|Pete]]


=== possible concepts to incorporate ===
I don't think people know what to do with [[PortlandWiki:Community Portal]] and [[PortlandWiki talk:Community Portal|this discussion page]], in part because "community portal" isn't a very inviting name. When I make the skin, I think the link to these pages should be a pretty visible button, but we should probably change the names to something simpler and more user-friendly too. Any ideas? My thoughts:
* Promote/celebrate wiki culture in Portland
* Promote/celebrate Portland culture in the wiki world
* Help Portland n00bs learn about Portland, wiki n00bs learn about wiki
* Provide a common space for existing Portland wiki communities to collaborate and build momentum in their projects (WP:ORE, Personal Telco, Shift to bikes...)
* Build alliances with other civic wiki groups around the world


== Technology ==
[[PortlandWiki:Community Portal]] is used partly as a place to help kick-start editing, and partly as a resource repository for interesting miscellanea relating to Portland, Oregon, and wikis. Maybe we could split this into the currently existing [[Help:Editing]] page, various mainspace articles as appropriate like [[Local media]], and a [[PortlandWiki:Community]] page for the rest (like links to other wikis, random wiki-related interviews, etc).
What platform should we use? What plug-ins or add-ons?


* I would like to use Mediawiki; in addition, I think the way [http://richmondwiki.org RichmondWiki.org] has implemented forms (for business listings, etc.) is very useful, and would like to see that implemented on ours. In addition, the HotCat gadget is transformatively useful if we want to have categories be a major part of our site. -[[User:Pete Forsyth|Pete]]
Then, [[PortlandWiki talk:Community Portal]] (this page) could be merged with the [[Discussion]] page and moved to [[PortlandWiki:Talk]] or [[PortlandWiki:Discussion]] or [[PortlandWiki:Discuss]] etc... the stuff from several months ago could be archived and the stuff having to do with discussing the [[PortlandWiki:Community Portal]] page (like this section) moved to [[PortlandWiki talk:Community]] or whatever is the new name for the portal page.


== Real names ==
Anyway those are just my thoughts... what do you think? -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] ([[User talk:Kotra|talk]]) 03:25, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
One of the many ways to deal with the problems of incivility on collaborative sites is to require the use of real names. Is this something we want to do on a Portland wiki? Do we want to require login? I note that DavisWiki.org does require real names. -[[User:Pete Forsyth|Pete Forsyth]]
:Seems like a good idea for the long term.... [[User:Rain|Rain]]


::We don't know yet if we'll have a problem with incivility, so I don't think we should require it from the start. If we do, requiring real names could help, but how could it be enforced? What if someone has the name "Ronald McDonald" (my sister-in-law knew someone with this name) or "kotra" (which is not my legal name, but it's what I go by)?
== PortlandWiki: an encyclopedia of Portland? ==
::As for requiring login, I'd only do that if we have a big vandalism problem. Unregistered editing is one of the biggest draws to participation, and growth would be much slower without it. -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] 21:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


:: It would be a community standard - not a forceable policy -  in fact I think that doing policies right now is way too premature. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
Is PortlandWiki an encyclopedia of Portland? This is a pretty fundamental question to what we do here! Please offer your input at [[Template talk:Welcome simple]]. -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] ([[User talk:Kotra|talk]]) 01:45, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


:: Vandalism has occurred. I used diff to restore what I could and will erase the junk added to blank pages, but this sucks.--[[User:Psychomia|Psychomia]] 00:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
== Skin, interface changes ==


::: The captcha will probably stop most of the vandalism, as it did at [http://pdx.wiki.org Portland WikiWednesday wiki]... if it doesn't though, then we may wish to consider disabling unregistered editing. -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] 11:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
So I've finally got Mediawiki updated to a version that allows the new [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:UsabilityInitiative|Usability Initiative extension]]. Right now the only visible change is editing interface, which has a new toolbar with a bunch of helpful bits for navigating and using wiki code.


== How to reach out to readers and contributors? ==
Next I will make Vector the default skin. Vector is used by Wikipedia and some other wikis. You can preview (or begin using) Vector by going into [[Special:Preferences|your preferences]], the Appearance tab, and selecting Vector. I'll then start work on a customized version of Vector that sets us apart from Wikipedia et al, and reflects our local Portland scene. I'll base it mostly off the current logo, probably with long curves and bold red/rose/carnelian swaths. Some ideas that people have brought in the [[PW:Monday Meets|meetings]] are: shortcuts to key pages that encourage participation, like [[Special:NewPages]], "create a new article" forms (for topics like Schools, Businesses, etc), and a more prominent "edit" button. Any and all suggestions for this skin are welcome! -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] ([[User talk:Kotra|talk]]) 20:57, 26 July 2010 (PDT)


Partner with other organizations to get the word out:
Update: Vector is now the default skin. I'll start working on the PortlandWiki skin soon. As I'm working on it, it will be one of the skins you can choose in your preferences. It won't be the default skin until I get a lot of feedback on it and people are happy with it. -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] ([[User talk:Kotra|talk]]) 12:38, 5 August 2010 (PDT)
* Neighborhood associations
* Business coalitions
* OurPDX blog
* bojack
* City Hall
* libraries
* schools
* seek press coverage
* Word of mouth
* search engines


== License ==
== MM 1/17/2011 notes ==


tl;dr version: I propose the Portland wiki use CC-BY-SA as its default license for submitted content.
A few notes from our discussion at the [[PW:MM|Monday Meet]] on January 17.
* commenting system on news posts, articles
:* avatars?
:* button that begins a [[/Subpage]] workspace/sketchpad for collaborative building off-page
:* PortlandAfoot uses [[wikipedia:Disqus|Disqus]], others are IntenseDebate, [http://twitterfeed.com/ TwitterFeed]
* thumbs-up/star ability for diffs/edits, to build reputation
:* number of stars visible on every user's userpage
:* a ticker or widget for comments about stars or edits (combined with above?)
* PortlandWiki -> Twitter
:* PortlandWiki -> RSS -> Twitter
::* a News RSS feed?
* Update on Facebook fan page, like meeting announcements


long version: What license should the wiki use (if any)? For some reason I appear to [[Wiki Wednesday of September 2, 2009|have the task]] of "licensing", so I'll start the discussion. Here are some options:
-[[User:Kotra|kotra]] ([[User talk:Kotra|talk]]) 20:52, 17 January 2011 (PST)
* Full copyright - this is the base upon which most everything rests (except public domain works). Every blog entry and comment you post online is copyrighted to you (unless you're a US federal employee commenting on youtube for your job or something). With ''only'' basic copyright, you retain all rights to copying, modification, republishing, reuse, etc. However, most websites make you agree to some sort of licensing whenever you post (in the terms of service) that allows the website to copy your comments and such; full "all rights reserved" copyright is rarely used on user-generated content websites.
* [[wikipedia:Creative_Commons_licenses|Creative Commons licenses]] (these are "copyleft" or "free" licenses)
** Attribution (CC-BY) - whenever someone copies, adapts, republishes, etc your work, they're required to credit you.
** Attribution Share Alike (CC-BY-SA) - in addition, these reuses and adaptations have to be published under the same or similar free license.
** Attribution No Derivatives (CC-BY-ND) - credit required and only the original work, without changes, can be copied/republished/etc.
** Attribution Non-Commercial (CC-BY-NC) - credit required, and you can't make money off it or any derivatives ever.
** Attribution Non-Commercial Share Alike (CC-BY-NC-SA) - you get the picture
** Attribution Non-Commercial No Derivatives (CC-BY-NC-ND)
* [[wikipedia:GNU Free Documentation License|GFDL]] - formerly Wikipedia's and other Wikimedia projects' only license, it's basically the same as CC-BY-SA with a few minor differences that made it a little unwieldy for wikis. Since June, it's the secondary license on those wikis, being used with CC-BY-SA as a dual-license for backwards-compatibility reasons.
* [[wikipedia:Public domain|Public domain]] - no copyright is claimed; it's basically free for everyone to use however they want. All works of the US federal government, everything first published in the US before 1923, stuff whose last surviving creator died over 70 years ago, etc. are all in the public domain. Anyone can also explicitly release their works into the public domain, but it's non-revokeable. [[wikipedia:Happy Birthday to You|"Happy Birthday to You"]] is ''not'' in the public domain, so make sure you pay royalties (to the tune of $10,000) to Warner Music Group every time you sing it. Creative Commons' "Zero" license is basically the same as public domain, but it hasn't been officially released yet.
Trademarks and personality rights are separate from all these. You can sometimes defend against unauthorized use of your trademark even in public domain works, as well as your likeness from being exploited commercially. These rarely come up in practice, though, unless you're Microsoft.


I think CC-BY-SA or CC-BY-NC-SA are the best suited for wikis, since they allow easy editing and copying of content (both essential to wikis) but authors retain credit for their work and attribution remains required even through derivative works (like edited text). Non-commercial is not easily revokeable, so, for example, content from the wiki reused on a for-profit venture like a conference or book would be problematic. Also, content technically couldn't be imported to or from Wikipedia, since Wikipedia's CC-BY-SA is incompatible with CC-BY-NC-SA. Therefore, I would recommend CC-BY-SA, which, coincidentally, is what this wiki uses. -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] 05:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
== WW notes 2011-02-02 ==
: kotra, thanks for posting this. I agree that CC-BY-SA is the best choice. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Peteforsyth]] 19:23, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
:: I created the page [[MediaWiki:Copyright]] to reflect this choice. There's still a GFDL logo in the lower-left that we have to replace. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Peteforsyth]] 19:34, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
::: Thanks! I've done that now. All that's left is to un-redlink the [[PortlandWiki:Copyrights]] page. -[[User:Kotra|Kotra]] 20:16, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


== A checklist ==
Key points discussed:
How about a checklist of things we'd like to get done before a more public launch of PortlandWiki?
* people will contribute to PortlandWiki because it's fun and enables them to share their knowledge, not because it's yet another outlet for their company's PR profile.
** outreach to business owners and organization managers will be a struggle until PW is much more popular as a consumed resource.
** outreach should be to normal, everyday people who edit for fun and who want to share their knowledge.
** this will be both more effective at gaining contributors, and will also create a more useful resource, since it won't merely duplicate the subject's website and PR efforts.
*** This is the difference between a diverse collection of information, facts and viewpoints, and a simple directory of ads and business listings.
*** A loose analogy might be Wikipedia's model of community driven collaboration and contribution compared to AboutUs's business-focused model.


# finalize logo ([[PortlandWiki:Logo]])
-[[User:Kotra|kotra]] ([[User talk:Kotra|talk]]) 19:42, 2 February 2011 (PST)
#: love the one we have now! ~~ [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
# finalize home page ([[Talk:PortlandWiki#Main page drafts]])
#: no need to finalize - be bold :-) ~~ [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
# create example pages/articles ([[Powell's Books]] work-in-progress)
# figure out a friendly help system for novice editors (Wikibuddy? In-wiki help desk like Wikipedia? Written tutorials?)
# de-redlink the important pages on main page (introduction/how to edit, policies, etc)
#: don't think this is a needed first step - think letting it emerge will work just fine ~~ [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
# fix citations (extension?)
# fix poor/nonexistant SVG rendering


== Wiki-wide updates ==
== MM 2/07/2011 notes ==
8 October 2009:
* invites:barnraising
* enabled ability to upload files
* barnraising proposal to edit, with or without "reward" or "sweeten the pot"
* changed the project space from PortlandWikiORG: to PortlandWiki:
* more automated method for channeling invite messages through pdxwikiwedgg/portlandwikigg/twitter/facebook
* added SVG to list of uploadable file types
* potential wikipedia/portlandwiki collaborative relationship? (Might Wikipedia be willing to allow space to announce or list local citywiki/civicwiki meetups.)
* finished the GFDL -> CC-BY-SA conversions in the interface and layout, still need to create a [[PortlandWiki:Copyrights]] page
24 October 2009:
* [[Portland Wiki]] moved to [[PortlandWiki]]
* Draft main page put live at [[PortlandWiki]]
3 November 2009:
* put up logo, probably just a temporary placeholder
7 November 2009:
* our first rash of spam. In response, installed simple CAPTCHA for adding URLs, registering new accounts, and failing logins.
8 November 2009:
* enabled ShortURLs (http://portlandwiki.org/PortlandWiki instead of http://portlandwiki.org/index.php?title=PortlandWiki)
4 December 2009:
* added "talk" link to user talk page on signatures by default (at [[MediaWiki:Signature]]); if you prefer no talk page link you can customize your signature in your preferences.


== Logo ==
== Mediawiki Update To Do List - Thursday, February 17, 2011 ==
* Update core from 1.16.0beta3 to 1.16.2.
: <span style="background-color:yellow;">13:22 Pacific Standard Time: Core update now complete. Contributors may proceed with new edits.</span>


Started a page to plan and design the logo: [[PortlandWiki:Logo]]. Input welcome! -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] 05:52, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
'''Help:Resources'''<br />
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installing_MediaWiki Manual:Installing MediaWiki]
: (Shows wget URL to download straight to directory.)
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading Manual:Upgrading]
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki Manual:Backing up a wiki]
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/FAQ#Installation_and_configuration Manual:FAQ - Installation and configuration]


== Spam ==
'''Extensions to update or remove.'''<br />
Incorporating a registration with email verification would cut down on the automated spam-graffiti that plagues fully open wikis.. [[User:Laen|Laen]]
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Advanced_Meta Advanced Meta] [done]
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Widgets Widgets] (Remove standalone instance; it's included with [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Semantic_Bundle Semantic Bundle].)
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit ConfirmEdit] (Remove standalone instance; it's included with [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Semantic_Bundle Semantic Bundle].)
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VideoFlash VideoFlash]
'''Extensions to install.'''<br />
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Semantic_Bundle Semantic Bundle]
* [http://www.mediawikiwidgets.org/Iframe Iframe]


:I've installed a [[wikipedia:CAPTCHA|CAPTCHA]] so adding a URL will require the user to answer a simple math problem. I did this for the [http://pdx.wiki.org Portland Wiki Wednesday wiki] and it virtually eliminated all spam, since they seem to all involve adding URLs. Hopefully it will do the same here, and we won't have to require registration (unregistered editing is a huge draw). But if the CAPTCHA doesn't work, we could do that. -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] 07:21, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
== Trying to find the email list for PortlandWiki, anyone know where it is? ==
 
I would be muchly grateful! Best, [[MarkDilley]]
: [[User:MarkDilley|Mark]] - For some reason, I'm just noticing your message now. Did anyone ever get you the list? Do we even have such a list?
::-[[User:WikiMaster|WikiMaster]] ([[User talk:WikiMaster|talk]]) 19:20, 5 November 2014 (PST)
 
== Any interest...? ==
 
in another PortlandWiki meetup? -[[User:Another Believer|Another Believer]] ([[User talk:Another Believer|talk]]) 14:53, 5 November 2014 (PST)
: I'm definitely interested!
::-[[User:WikiMaster|WikiMaster]] ([[User talk:WikiMaster|talk]]) 19:21, 5 November 2014 (PST)
 
== Found email ==
 
about password reset and have logged in!  Success! [[MarkDilley]]

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http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Simple_Forms
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Form
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Widgets
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:XFeed_-_RSS_Feed_Aggregator
ArborWiki uses: http://arborwiki.org/city/Special:Version
CantonWiki uses: http://cantonwiki.org/Special:Version
RichmondWiki uses: http://www.richmondwiki.org/wiki/Special:Version
Blomingpedia uses: http://www.bloomingpedia.org/wiki/Special:Version
USSFwiki uses: http://wiki.ussf2010.org/wiki/Special:Version
Dreamfish uses: http://network.dreamfish.com/wiki/Special:Version
WikiIndex uses: http://wikiindex.org/Special:Version
FortWiki uses: http://fortwiki.com/Special:Version
KansasCity wikia uses: http://kansascity.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Version
Hiroshima wiki uses: http://ja.hiroshimawiki.com/wiki/%E7%89%B9%E5%88%A5:%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3%E6%83%85%E5%A0%B1
Wikitravel uses: http://wikitravel.org/en/Special:Version
Aachen wikia uses: http://aachen.wikia.com/wiki/Spezial:Version
Euguen neighbor wiki - http://wiki.eugeneneighbors.org/wiki/Special:Version

PDXWW January meeting

Some of us met at this month's WikiWednesday and conspired nefariously in secret (public) behind closed doors (a space open to anyone who's interested) about PortlandWiki. A casual-style log of the gathering can be found here. -kotra (talk) 07:18, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

New proposal: facets

There's a new proposal for a feature/process wherein people could create pages for their own points of view on any topic. If you have 10 or 15 minutes to spare, check out the proposal at PortlandWiki:Facets, and give your comments on the talk page. Thanks! -kotra (talk) 03:31, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Web hosting

We are exploring approaching green web hosting providers for PortlandWiki. The planning page for this is PortlandWiki:Hosting. -kotra (talk) 04:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Namespace aliases

Just wanted to mention that I've added a couple "namespace aliases", which are shortcuts: PW:Logo will take you to PortlandWiki:Logo and PT:Logo will take you to PortlandWiki talk:Logo. This will work for all pages that begin with "PortlandWiki" or "PortlandWiki talk", so this page can be linked to from PT:Community Portal. Let me know if you think any other aliases would be useful! -kotra (talk) 01:52, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Usability Initiative tools

Hi folks, there are a few new tools in Mediawiki that they've finished enough to use on the Wikimedia Commons and, just in the last day, Wikipedia. These include an editing interface that is (in my opinion) superior in ease-of-use as well as some javascripty bits (collapsible boxes, unified search/go field, etc) for the new "Vector" skin. I'd like to use the Vector skin as a foundational basis for the PW skin I'm working on, so I was wondering if it would be ok with folks if I installed the "Usability Initiative" extension on this wiki? The only change we will see with the current skin is the new editing interface (you can preview it on Wikipedia).

More information here: mediawikiwiki:Extension:UsabilityInitiative

-kotra (talk) 00:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Kotra, I just took a peek at the new MediaWiki skin and the editing interface. I think transitioning PortlandWiki to the new skin is worthwhile just for the editing interface alone. Hopefully folks who may feel a bit intimidated by wiki markup would find the new editing tools helpful. WikiMaster (talk) 03:29, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I'll make the change sometime when I can make a full backup of the wiki. Thanks! -kotra (talk) 02:46, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Rename Community Portal?

I don't think people know what to do with PortlandWiki:Community Portal and this discussion page, in part because "community portal" isn't a very inviting name. When I make the skin, I think the link to these pages should be a pretty visible button, but we should probably change the names to something simpler and more user-friendly too. Any ideas? My thoughts:

PortlandWiki:Community Portal is used partly as a place to help kick-start editing, and partly as a resource repository for interesting miscellanea relating to Portland, Oregon, and wikis. Maybe we could split this into the currently existing Help:Editing page, various mainspace articles as appropriate like Local media, and a PortlandWiki:Community page for the rest (like links to other wikis, random wiki-related interviews, etc).

Then, PortlandWiki talk:Community Portal (this page) could be merged with the Discussion page and moved to PortlandWiki:Talk or PortlandWiki:Discussion or PortlandWiki:Discuss etc... the stuff from several months ago could be archived and the stuff having to do with discussing the PortlandWiki:Community Portal page (like this section) moved to PortlandWiki talk:Community or whatever is the new name for the portal page.

Anyway those are just my thoughts... what do you think? -kotra (talk) 03:25, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

PortlandWiki: an encyclopedia of Portland?

Is PortlandWiki an encyclopedia of Portland? This is a pretty fundamental question to what we do here! Please offer your input at Template talk:Welcome simple. -kotra (talk) 01:45, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Skin, interface changes

So I've finally got Mediawiki updated to a version that allows the new Usability Initiative extension. Right now the only visible change is editing interface, which has a new toolbar with a bunch of helpful bits for navigating and using wiki code.

Next I will make Vector the default skin. Vector is used by Wikipedia and some other wikis. You can preview (or begin using) Vector by going into your preferences, the Appearance tab, and selecting Vector. I'll then start work on a customized version of Vector that sets us apart from Wikipedia et al, and reflects our local Portland scene. I'll base it mostly off the current logo, probably with long curves and bold red/rose/carnelian swaths. Some ideas that people have brought in the meetings are: shortcuts to key pages that encourage participation, like Special:NewPages, "create a new article" forms (for topics like Schools, Businesses, etc), and a more prominent "edit" button. Any and all suggestions for this skin are welcome! -kotra (talk) 20:57, 26 July 2010 (PDT)

Update: Vector is now the default skin. I'll start working on the PortlandWiki skin soon. As I'm working on it, it will be one of the skins you can choose in your preferences. It won't be the default skin until I get a lot of feedback on it and people are happy with it. -kotra (talk) 12:38, 5 August 2010 (PDT)

MM 1/17/2011 notes

A few notes from our discussion at the Monday Meet on January 17.

  • commenting system on news posts, articles
  • avatars?
  • button that begins a /Subpage workspace/sketchpad for collaborative building off-page
  • PortlandAfoot uses Disqus, others are IntenseDebate, TwitterFeed
  • thumbs-up/star ability for diffs/edits, to build reputation
  • number of stars visible on every user's userpage
  • a ticker or widget for comments about stars or edits (combined with above?)
  • PortlandWiki -> Twitter
  • PortlandWiki -> RSS -> Twitter
  • a News RSS feed?
  • Update on Facebook fan page, like meeting announcements

-kotra (talk) 20:52, 17 January 2011 (PST)

WW notes 2011-02-02

Key points discussed:

  • people will contribute to PortlandWiki because it's fun and enables them to share their knowledge, not because it's yet another outlet for their company's PR profile.
    • outreach to business owners and organization managers will be a struggle until PW is much more popular as a consumed resource.
    • outreach should be to normal, everyday people who edit for fun and who want to share their knowledge.
    • this will be both more effective at gaining contributors, and will also create a more useful resource, since it won't merely duplicate the subject's website and PR efforts.
      • This is the difference between a diverse collection of information, facts and viewpoints, and a simple directory of ads and business listings.
      • A loose analogy might be Wikipedia's model of community driven collaboration and contribution compared to AboutUs's business-focused model.

-kotra (talk) 19:42, 2 February 2011 (PST)

MM 2/07/2011 notes

  • invites:barnraising
  • barnraising proposal to edit, with or without "reward" or "sweeten the pot"
  • more automated method for channeling invite messages through pdxwikiwedgg/portlandwikigg/twitter/facebook
  • potential wikipedia/portlandwiki collaborative relationship? (Might Wikipedia be willing to allow space to announce or list local citywiki/civicwiki meetups.)

Mediawiki Update To Do List - Thursday, February 17, 2011

  • Update core from 1.16.0beta3 to 1.16.2.
13:22 Pacific Standard Time: Core update now complete. Contributors may proceed with new edits.

Help:Resources

(Shows wget URL to download straight to directory.)

Extensions to update or remove.

Extensions to install.

Trying to find the email list for PortlandWiki, anyone know where it is?

I would be muchly grateful! Best, MarkDilley

Mark - For some reason, I'm just noticing your message now. Did anyone ever get you the list? Do we even have such a list?
-WikiMaster (talk) 19:20, 5 November 2014 (PST)

Any interest...?

in another PortlandWiki meetup? -Another Believer (talk) 14:53, 5 November 2014 (PST)

I'm definitely interested!
-WikiMaster (talk) 19:21, 5 November 2014 (PST)

Found email

about password reset and have logged in! Success! MarkDilley

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